Deep stuff like At the Movies or You Asked for It. its high time for change. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. He wants that title. I wonder when they will roll it out. Spy Therefore, the playing field needed to be levelized by having the church comply with certain business ordinances. Of course, a lot of people in their church have no idea their pastor has somebody else write their sermons and they dont go elsewhere very often, so they wouldnt realize it. Does not. Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. okrapod, I know many folks like me at Mclean. Not to mention the let-us-introduce-you-to-some-seminary-students during nursing school. My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. I can remember on pastor in my lifetime that handled the role fairly well, but Ive known others who truly were pastors. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. My concordance doesnt include an entry for paid pastor. That s not how it works. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. 4). I think that people are more comfortable with Jesus loves me (a song) than they are with keep my commandments (a direct quote from the mouth of Jesus) and some folks find it easy to play the two off against each other in order to avoid whatever they want to avoid and take advantage of whatever they want to take advantage of. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. A lot of replies sound speculative . Anyway, I love that, and I love Ed's voice! We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. Often, they are on the same track, preaching the same series, with a slightly different title for each series. But he is not a pastor at McLean. Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. (Communion servers switch around, so not every time, but it has definitely happened from the pastor. Thanks for chiming in! One is an outgrowth of the other. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. . The upper room in Jerusalem at Pentecost held a whole bunch of people and is unlikely to have been just somebodys parlor. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. A Proverbial Shortcut To Mushrooms, Perhaps?, I think we should get off the road (1), Lon knows quite clearly that the people of McLean Bible Church dont throw stones, Spy rather, an unpaid volunteer gifted in compassion & empathy. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. David Platt unfortunately comes across as manipulating and disingenuous. We wouldnt if they said they wanted a pole dancer, a stripper, and free beer. Now THAT was really pushing it. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Many who say this buy sermon services to write their sermons for them. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. If we then love God we will/should obey God, or so Jesus said regarding himself. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! I think that Platt has a good point. Im big on capitol punishment, as in punishing the politicians who work at the capitol. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. Having grown up in a mainline Protestant denomination, this experience was fabulous. Maybe not. Open Discussion Page. Definitions are all changing under our feet (the boundary markers are being moved). 34:1-10)? He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. Check it out on our blog as well as http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. They are very thoughtful about these sorts of things, actually. He did nothing but travel on so-called mission trips or went to conferences and seem to be on vacation every other month. You are one of the lucky ones if you can see through him. Remember that the word Pastor derives from the Latin for Shepherd, if these pastors were employed as actual shepherds they would be lucky to have any sheep left after a week, they would either wonder away, be eaten by wolves, would starve to death or dehydrate, since they seem to believe that they are only supposed to do one job and not deal with the other responsibilities. Look for a church in which the pastor knows your name and will sit by your bedside when you are in the hospital. Uniformity of the product and driving down of the raw cost of goods is next on the agenda. I wonder whether you can ever meet with ANY ordained clergy person at MBC. AMEN! We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. Its a long and somewhat boring story. And, I dont see church life as being an effective way to keep theologians from getting off-track. As a variation on the theme, ISTM that they want to be honoured as gurus without growing into functioning role-models. What I would say is, if you ever find the perfect church, dont join youll spoil it. They say they study and write sermons for 20-25 hours a week. He will show up on Sunday morning and preach about 30 or so weeks in the year. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Every inch of my kitchen counter is covered with stuff. Its soft texture conforms to you when you grasp it! We are in great peril if our skills and talents exceed our spiritual character. One of the commenters proceeded to lecture me on how everyone has the same 24 hours in a day and that I was just being lazy on getting my own information. Its no wonder men want it for themselves; its no wonder so many idealistic, but ambitious and easily-seduced young men are both dazzled by those who find fame and fortune doing it, and want it for themselves. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! If things do go bad, I could go home to house and spouse, and have my career. When I was in my former church, my husband, a friend and I led a Sunday school class that was well attended. I actually timed it once. He feeds the one that gnaws him most.. My post probably doesnt do justice to the actual experience of reading them for yourself. As far as the east is from the west, false Christianity makes the big bucks these days in the land of the affluent for many have bought into the belief that Jesus came to make us healthy, wealthy, and prosperous. They promote their conferences, they sell books by Piper, Mahaney, DeYoung and the rest. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. ___ However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Prediction: I bet he resigns from the IMB and this is the first step to getting his ducks in a row. While he was at Brook Hills it was practically heresy to disagree with David.). More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. CJ Mahaney and Larry Thomsak (both names probably spelled incorrectly) were very instrumental in my early Christian growth with the TAG meetings in D.C. Really loved those meetings. __. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? Well, I think I can see what the problem is here. is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? Yes, sometimes. MBC has a full-time administrative pastor and staff, and it seems that they are happy with Platt bringing the star power. the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. He will preach without being involved in his church-unless he is cheating in other areas. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? As does a real paster, of course. He could have one or not, but telling everyone when you first meet that he does NOT tells you something and its not a positive thing. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: The Gospel Coalition recently postedPastor, Strive to Learn Their Nameswritten byBenjamin Vrbicek. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. It is like they think they are crossing some sort of line if they drop their guard and form genuine relationships. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. Those who choice encounter this suspicious and questionable phenomenon should exit this religious establishment quickly. Yeah, my husband and I are not fans of this recent development. He has bigger things to do. Now every believer does have access, but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB: Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as teaching pastor of McLean Bible Church while also continuing to lead the International Mission Board, Dilbeck said. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. But I know I cant do that forever. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. That is the reason for the revisiting language, I think. They just say they do. But the body is more than church life, and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. by BEING in right relationship with Him. Find a church in which the pastor knows you name and truly cares about you-not an abstract you who is just a part of a mass of faces. But were also jaded when it comes to the typical format of church. His rise to national prominence has inspired many people with speech impediments. Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. Hes only been at the IMB for 3 years I didnt know it could be a part-time job. David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. I couldnt agree more. McLeanBible Church, originally nondenominational, isa recent member of the Southern Baptist Convention. @ Gram3: Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. We called a man (we were SBC)to preach. But there were no other pastors. I wholeheartedly agree with this: Folks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. 7). But maybe thats just me trying to figure out how in the world the Odd Couple ever got together and why Dever sold out what he claims to believe so fervently. Still, he remained there 8 years and was sent off to the IMB with cheers and praise. Id love a sabbatical too. Anyone can listen to Platt on podcasts. only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. You have an actual job with many other responsibilities. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. Exactly. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. My husband said something that has stuck with me the past few months. You may think some of my nine jobs are questionable and others of them are controversial. ZechZav wrote (quoting an established evangelical motivational speaker): Im very upfront with my role to my church [sic]. This is why ecclessiolgy and philosophy of ministry is so important. They seem to have united around pragmatic Authoritarianism and Complementarianism. I mean, I dont have a problem with using commentaries and resources to help plan a sermon. Expenses run high in that stratosphere. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? I will grant you that he spoke at other church in the UAE and other countries during some of those weeks, but the fact is he is paid a salary by the UCCD members to be the senior pastor at their church. Being paid an honorarium for each sermon is not a salary so one wonders if this is all spin. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. But now most megas treat their head/lead/teaching pastor as the answer to continued success as a church and I think its a reason for this very unhealthy obsession with Christian celebrity pastors. They say they write their own sermons. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. When Jesus said that He would build His church and said that the Spirit would come, but failed to mention a new book of laws, I guess He just lost His perspective there for a bit? Our church is currently seeking a new pastor and articles like this are extremely useful to help us figure out what is/isnt a pastor! Last post was meant to be two separate, one responding to Muff, the other to Nick/Bombast/God. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. Lift up your voice mightily, O Christian, bearer of Jesus good news; lift it up, do not fear. And they are extremely popular with Baptist pastors, but most Baptists have no idea they even exist. The pastor has stated he spends 15 20 hours a week preparing his sermonbut in reading the comments above about how pastors will say that but just copy & paste other people I just found a sermon by MacArthur on Psalm 19 and it sounded exactly like the sermon my pastor preached a few weeks ago on Psalm 19. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). * We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? Its the most important part of the Baptist church, in the eyes of many. ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. The thing about touchpads is they are sotouchy. @ Dave A A: As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. The blind are unable to discern and the lame are unable to walk by faith. Viewing David Platts past online sermon videos smack of the same toxic religious syndrome in store for MBC members as well. Even during a famine, the lowly, needy, hungry lepers find bread in another camp (1 Kings 7:9) the presence of their enemies, and proclaim the Good News that will end the famine. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! Interesting, I always thought Platt was the dullard they sent on errands when they talked about the secret stuff. Of course, we are to do stuff, but the text never says we are to do witnessing as if it is apart from who we are. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) How to Resign from a Church The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. We were an all volunteer army. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. I cant think of any big names in the UK but that doesnt matter there are plenty of gifted people within local churches. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. I guess being on the fence is another word for being in the wilderness. @ Jeffrey J Chalmers: The Tron, and others (some of which are known to me directly) are looking for the perfect church network. But they brought back many well-researched case studies of people who were. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. So while I dislike Platts platitudes in general, Ive no problem with him supply preaching for the church. Over time, academies can develop an ethos that they are the repositories of knowledge, and then act as if they are above or outside the purview of the Church. They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. After reading your comments I was deeply discouraged, wow this man must be seriously egotistical and really has no heart for the church body. Platt has clarified the news is not an immediate resignation; he has asked trustees to begin the search for a new president, and will This discussion so far has focused on ministry unto the flock, but Leviticus is full of ministry unto the LORD. I wrote the following a few years ago: No thing compares to knowing Him. Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. In the UK there has been a complete silence from UK church leaders about Mahaney. When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, 4:10). Remembering your thoughts from another post equating charismatics need for a sign (miracles) and evangelicals need for a sign (changed lives), I suppose preaching is another sign that is used to mesmerise the patrons, and like you suggest, build an empire. But you know what I mean: they didnt go there predominantly to be public speakers. GSD, If no one has the guts to challenge this false ninja TULIP gospel change agent, and the one who was stupid enough to bring him on board, then McLean Bible Church will quietly descend into Calvinist authoritarian tyrannical darkness, its members none the wiser. What I see happening is horrifying. @ Hope: Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. No say in the process but you had best pony up to pay his salary! Oh yeah-thats the guy who shows us how not to be crazy busy-now *pastor* of a lg church and seminary professor. I cannot question it if its really Gods call for him. All of scripture is not the Gospel (Wisdom Lit., lament, apocalyptic, etc.). Moses and Joshua ministered unto the LORD; Samuel was ministering unto the LORD (trimming the lamps); Paul and Barnabas were ministering unto the LORD when the Spirit separated them unto Himself (Acts 13:2). My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). David Platt, An MBC (1) Teaching Pastor, Is Infected With Calvinism. (Dont let him infect you!). Webdoes david platt speech impediment. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. Ive even seen multi-media pastor. If not we are just setting up idols. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? I think its all bogus. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? He demonstrates his attitude that he can dress down for Sunday service. Yes- he is doing it for free. The academy serving the Church is not explicit in scripture. As Teaching Pastor at MBC, Dr. Platt would continue the pattern of being with his family in this local church approximately 65% of his weekends. Vs 14 God says I know He Aaron can speak very well obviously God knew that Moses did have some legit problem with speech like stuttering. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. In some cases, a speech impediment Jesus called us friends not pets. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? deny the community access to their facility which they help sponsor with their tax dollars. Warren observes that this never impresses him, and that it raises the question of whether they love the people theyre preaching to as much as they love the rush of public speaking. One time my former FIEC church had Don Carson come to preach and my friends were so excited by it. The trustee statement is rather curious, too. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. And it did help him escape that radical existence he taught. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. Does Public Broadcasting Need Your Tote Bag Deep into the churchs 1 The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. . Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free, the church is being very wise in theyre decision making, David Platt knows his family and what he needs to do to spend time with him. One is an outgrowth of the other. Blogs. His Presence in their midst, is the witness of the Church (being not doing). Im not saying this is a blanket template to cover wrong doing, but it is there in the text to be considered along with all the other scripture, as well. Ed Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, https://thouarttheman.org/2014/03/11/docent-group-should-dump-driscoll-and-hire-mahaney/, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBOG8BRcdY, http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4vnQc59N-w, http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf, http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llNnlE6Hbuc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5R08xDC6c, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HPqDaKajSnQ, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao, http://www.metrolyrics.com/wake-me-up-inside-lyrics-evanescence.html, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LML6SoNE7xE. It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. 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